LIMTOYS - Outlaws From The West - The Cowboy 1/6 scale collectible figure

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Ah ok I forgot about the cowhand outfit. But that would be separate outfit they would have to make maybe as an accessory kit. That's just sad knowing people hate putting stuff on their figures, imagine how frustrated and lost some would be if they collected military figures and they had to work with M.O.L.E gear. Lmao to me I find it fun also and I don't mind switching outfits from time to time. Plus I futz most of my stuff anyways.

I'm surprised the aversion to working on figures is so widespread, but several companies have expressed that as their findings. I sometimes strip a figure down when it arrives, to add or remove padding, adjust the body height, and then put it back together.

But once it's done I don't like to mess with it too much again, unless I spot something off.

I've learnt a lot from well researched figures, because I'm looking up real world images to see how things go together.
 
I'm surprised the aversion to working on figures is so widespread, but several companies have expressed that as their findings. I sometimes strip a figure down when it arrives, to add or remove padding, adjust the body height, and then put it back together.

But once it's done I don't like to mess with it too much again, unless I spot something off.

I've learnt a lot from well researched figures, because I'm looking up real world images to see how things go together.
I feel the same. It depends also how they look in whatever medium they are in. I've adjusted the clothes, belts and satchel on my Arthur to be as accurate to the game as possible. Weathering also is a big important part for me as it's what gives the realism to the clothes.
 
I feel the same. It depends also how they look in whatever medium they are in. I've adjusted the clothes, belts and satchel on my Arthur to be as accurate to the game as possible. Weathering also is a big important part for me as it's what gives the realism to the clothes.

Weathering is something I do have an aversion to.

Which is wrong because I'm never likely going to sell anything, so I might as well make it the best I can. Even so, it's getting motivated to do it, and do it right so as not to ruin anything permanently.

Rubbing chalk into denim and other material is about as far as I've gone, to add age and wear to the certain parts. It was quite effective.
 
When things become complicated it usually means hassle and who needs it, it certainly has an impact on the joy of collecting. I like what Lim Toys have done and continue to do, however their desire and willingness to include the views of collectors has caused grief, they must be pulling their hair out. The view that Dutch could be a more simple figure with less accessories is the way to go.
 
When things become complicated it usually means hassle and who needs it, it certainly has an impact on the joy of collecting. I like what Lim Toys have done and continue to do, however their desire and willingness to include the views of collectors has caused grief, they must be pulling their hair out. The view that Dutch could be a more simple figure with less accessories is the way to go.

I understand today why this figure could've become a nightmare for them: trying to cover two periods and various looks in the most economical way possible.

Plus each player would have their own preference to match the outfits they opted for in the game.

From the sounds of it, it would be practically impossible to please everyone.

I don't remember that being the case with Arthur. I fell in love with the promo photos. To me he was simply the western version of CC Toys' TLOU Summer and Winter Ellie and Joel.

From that point on I assigned two display areas for the western characters: winter and summer.
 
I understand today why this figure could've become a nightmare for them: trying to cover two periods and various looks in the most economical way possible.

Plus each player would have their own preference to match the outfits they opted for in the game.

From the sounds of it, it would be practically impossible to please everyone.

I don't remember that being the case with Arthur. I fell in love with the promo photos. To me he was simply the western version of CC Toys' TLOU Summer and Winter Ellie and Joel.

From that point on I assigned two display areas for the western characters: winter and summer.
Yup AM had a better reception (I doubt that would've been the case today) because his 3 main outfits are basically one with additional clothing items like the blue winter coat and jacket, JM is more complicated because he has several looks and designs and we wanted to try to cover all of them but turns out trying to please 3 camps of people was going to leave a lot of them disappointed if anything it's a good lesson of what to not do in the future.

Also we appreciate the support but I hope nobody feels like it's wrong to provide criticism, we appreciate it as we are very self critical as well, as I mentioned we're going to fix the pants, improve tailoring and we've already done photoshop paint tests on the 1911 sculpt which really change the whole look so with our printing techniques and harsher paint and different beard and eyebrow patterns as well as fuller eyes I think the sculpt will look completely different and hopefully closer to what people want.
 
Yup AM had a better reception (I doubt that would've been the case today) because his 3 main outfits are basically one with additional clothing items like the blue winter coat and jacket, JM is more complicated because he has several looks and designs and we wanted to try to cover all of them but turns out trying to please 3 camps of people was going to leave a lot of them disappointed if anything it's a good lesson of what to not do in the future.

Also we appreciate the support but I hope nobody feels like it's wrong to provide criticism, we appreciate it as we are very self critical as well, as I mentioned we're going to fix the pants, improve tailoring and we've already done photoshop paint tests on the 1911 sculpt which really change the whole look so with our printing techniques and harsher paint and different beard and eyebrow patterns as well as fuller eyes I think the sculpt will look completely different and hopefully closer to what people want.
You guys rock. We’re a spoiled bunch. Still can’t believe we’re getting that darn squirrel. Hahaha
 
Absolutely love this! Instant PO!

Here are my thoughts:

Big fan of both headsculpts. I would consider calling the second one "1911" instead of "1907" as the original game takes place in 1911. 1907 is when the epilogue takes place, which the 1899 head resembles more. The promo shots do look like something is a bit off in the RDR1 sculpt (which is bound to happen when you change the style of a character, and the original Red Dead is definitely stylized due to its age) but the in-hand shots of it look SPECTACULAR. Definitely keep both headsculpts.

I do have a critique about John's 1899 appearance. Below is an image of the model I believe the promo shots are based off of:
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Issues with accuracy of the 1899 model in promo shots:
*John wears a black shirt when he has the vest and jacket, to my knowledge he never wears a white shirt with the jacket and vest
*In 1899, I don't think John ever wears his red bandana or gloves (aside from a ragtag pair of gloves in Colter)
*John has a different holster in 1899
*John's pants in 1899 are a slightly different pattern


Will be pre-ordering this for sure. Love the look of it and how much you guys care. Will be one of my most prizes figures. I just wanted to put my thoughts in.
Gotta say I do like the black shirt a lot more with this look
 
the older 2012 Triad Boone Town Saloon.

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:wave I made this, sort of. At least, I took this photo, but I did a bit more than that, too.

Pardon me, while I stroll down memory lane. If you want to read further, while this is an epic post, if you are a fan of this hobby, I think you will be entertained by what follows.

We had commissioned some concept art, and sent that to the factory.
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I provided the reference and was sort of the "art director" for this product. I remember scouring the web for reference photos, so the factory knew how to paint it. I was able to find an old hard drive with my files and found the communication I sent to the factory.

It was important that this diorama was truly 1/6 scale. Here you can see I was demonstrating to the factory that their first sculpt wasn't in scale.

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Here is me showing them how to paint the bricks.
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And I made the packaging label.

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I was hoping to make a full-color art box, but the box was gigantic, and a full-color printed box would've added like $20 to the cost, so it was not worth it. It's still funny to see this small label on this giant-ass white box. But still, I had fun making the label. At the time, I was absolutely obsessed with 'aging' paper in Photoshop.

I pushed for us to make more generic figures like cowboys and pirates. These teasers were posted many years ago.
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We had started a series of historical characters, titled Legends. It started off as monks, there was a plan for samurai and Greek heroes. I had brainstormed the whole series. My ideas included Sherlock Holmes, Robin Hood, King Arthur, Mina Harker, Nemo, Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, Blackbeard, Captain Kidd, Long John Silver, Billy the Kid, Wyatt Earp, Jesse James, Doc Holliday, Hercules, Achilles, my list was endless, but that's as far as I got in my Word doc. But based on the poor sales of our Zorro and John Carter figures, it quickly became apparent collectors were not interested in figures that didn't have a celebrity headsculpt. I have a reference folder for Beowulf and inside it has pics of David Beckham ... I don't remember doing that, but I guess we had a solution ;)

The point is, I understand the amount of work that goes into making products. We did more work than anyone will ever know. The amount of badass prototypes we made that people will never see, it hurts my heart to think about how much creativity that company had, that was hamstrung by the inability of the factory to match our vision ... and the fact that there just wasn't enough customers that could financially support what we wanted to make, but I digress.

On top of that, I understand what it's like to deal with people commenting about your products. I had to deal with it for three years. For those that are new, Triad Toys was basically the Star Ace of the previous decade. Though I'd like to think we showed signs of improvement towards the end. Either way, this forum was not kind to us. Back then, mods didn't delete rude comments. In fact, one or two mods even participated in making rude comments.

The amount of effort that we put into making figures for House and Dexter, that people will never see, because they were rejected by licensing. No joke, I counted 10 unique sculpts for House on our workbench. The hours I spent screen-capping episodes of Dexter ... we tried, lord, we tried. Yet people savaged us on this forum, saying we were wasting the license, "They're not doing anything with it." They had absolutely no clue how much effort we put in.

It was very difficult to handle people telling us how bad we were, or that we were wasting licenses, or wondering how we were still in business. Those sorts of derisive remarks were hard to deal with. 99% of the people here have no understanding what it takes to actually be a producer in this company.

No matter how hard you try, how much research you do, how much effort you put into a product, it won't ever meet your expectations, or the customers' expectations. It was a constant battle with the factory to get them to match your vision. The final product is a compromise between what is possible and what you can afford. The last 5% of any figure, or any creative endeavor, always takes the longest, and is rarely worth the time and effort into making it perfect. The idiom is "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good".

To circle back to the Boonetown diorama, I put a ton of effort into that product. A true 1/6 scale diorama for $120, I think it was? It was an absolute steal, even in that era. But it went over like a wet fart in church. We made 200, I think, and we probbably only sold 100 of them. Nobody was singing its praise. Maybe it was too big, maybe there weren't any cowboy figures to display with it? Who knows? Regardless, I understand what it's like to put in effort and not get the reception you were expecting.

So bringing my point home, what happens in this forum is that you have a game of one-upsmanship, with one person trying to prove they are a bigger fan, by showing where a figure is inaccurate. It's not a comment that the figure is bad, or that it needs to be improved, but more so that it's an ego boost for the person posting. The addition of the Like function, and the reputation function that preceded it, has only exacerbated the issue.

And when I read RRX's remarks like "This figure isn't meeting our sales expectations", "We should probably cancel Dutch", or "We should've just gone with one look, instead of multiple outfits" ... it hurts to read these comments, they don't help anyone. It reflects poorly on the company, it hurts the fans. The only people who perhaps enjoy reading those comments are the ones that instigated them in the first place, the ones that enjoy bringing people down. They like making others feel bad to make themselves feel better.

I recommend finding an outlet to vent that isn't this forum.

We didn't engage with people here, because we knew it wouldn't accomplish anything. Responding to the comments won't make a company, or their products, better. You can read the comments and learn to differentiate which ones are constructive and might better the product, and the ones that are simply ego boosts on the poster.

Imagine how I felt, when people were complaining about how bad we were, when we made lackluster figures. LIM is making much better figures, and people are still saying they can be better. People will never be happy. Please don't drive yourself crazy trying to make them happy.

Read the comments, laugh it off, talk about how full of **** everyone is here (in private, or with your co-workers, don't do that here), and live your life ... and get me my Cowboy!
 
Waiting for Giantoy

It's not going to be a regular listing there.

As per their Facebook group:

Meiling Jin
Admin

Hey guys! We will have both. As for the LIMTOYS figures, we'll make a member-only listing. I'll update here soon on how to order.




Not sure whether she means members of the group or of the website. Some listings only appear on the site if you're logged in.
 
Hello everyone. Frankly RRX, you and your team had done a very good job, do not be affected by certain comments. Just having the community participate in the improvement and development of the final product is clearly very honorable. I wanted to thank you for changing the spurs to a softer material. Would it be possible to acquire some once JM is out in order to replace those of AM? Regarding the heads, that of young JM really corresponds to what I expected and that of 1911 is the realistic evolution of his aging. Afterwards, nothing prevents you, depending on supply and demand, from making a more "cartoon" head pack of the first game and a Zombie in the future! In short, don't be put off by Limtoys. Congratulations again for this work and thank you for these achievements which would not exist without you!
 
Yup AM had a better reception (I doubt that would've been the case today) because his 3 main outfits are basically one with additional clothing items like the blue winter coat and jacket, JM is more complicated because he has several looks and designs and we wanted to try to cover all of them but turns out trying to please 3 camps of people was going to leave a lot of them disappointed if anything it's a good lesson of what to not do in the future.

Also we appreciate the support but I hope nobody feels like it's wrong to provide criticism, we appreciate it as we are very self critical as well, as I mentioned we're going to fix the pants, improve tailoring and we've already done photoshop paint tests on the 1911 sculpt which really change the whole look so with our printing techniques and harsher paint and different beard and eyebrow patterns as well as fuller eyes I think the sculpt will look completely different and hopefully closer to what people want.
There are no mistakes only lessons in this life, it is a continual learning curve for each of us my friends.
 
That was my bad, I mixed up the dates but for it is based off his 1911 appearance.

We are aware the outfit is not 100% accurate, we wanted to keep this all in 1 package so we decided on just giving him the necessary pieces, keep in mind a lot of collectors don't have the patience to be switching out shirts, pants, belts, and whatnot and a double pack or seperate figure looks would not be a good move, honestly if I could go back now the figurew ould just be based off his epilogue look instead of trying to give it peices to recreate 3 looks which will never be 100% accurate.

So yeah eeping this condensed all in one package feels like the way to go since from the intial numbers we're getting it doesn't seem very popular, doubt an NPC or 2010 version would fair any better on their own.
Yes definitely my friend, the same for Dutch too.
 
Sales figures must be hard right now to determine; it's only been a few days, late November before Christmas when people may have already decided where to spend money. Unveiling it January probably wouldn't be any better as people get bills from Christmas. Plus when they get paid is a factor. I haven't pre-ordered mine yet as I get paid end of the month.
 
I’d be really surprised if it doesn’t sell as well or better than Arthur. He’s been around longer than Morgan, and I know a few people that love RDR1 and never played 2, so presumably more potential fans.

I think Space Jockey has the right idea. Holidays are a tough launch window.

I think it will pick up!
 
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Finally caught up reading all the pages. I've never played RDR1 and never will. I have played RDR2 and I think the figure looks perfectly fine. I applaud Limtoys for their efforts. Not doing a Dutch would be very disappointing. He is Arthur's foil. I will buy John, if only to get a Dutch. But even if Dutch were made that would be it for me in regards to this line. I would then move on to Joel and Ellie and my personal grail, Ginger Huntress.

I would suggest limtoys consider accessory packs. I have a hard time believing that they wouldn't be successful. Copious amounts of accessories have become one of limtoys calling cards. If the changes in the economy prohibit the inclusion of those accessories with the figure, then I would strongly urge including them in an accessory pack. The other major 6 scale companies aren't doing this and it's a way for Limtoys to differentiate themselves from the crowd by demonstrating that they care about the collectors enough to do this.
 
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